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Postby Patronus » 06 Sep 2015 19:29

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Postby Diplomatt » 09 Sep 2015 19:58

Tried messaging him on steam twice and he ignored me. I'm probably wont be able to play now until Sunday.
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Postby Asseror » 13 Sep 2015 19:40

Deadline extended to September 18.
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Postby Diplomatt » 13 Sep 2015 21:37

Wednesday is good for me, I am free most of the day. Maybe this time you will have Rome II installed on your computer when I ask you to play :D
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Postby Stradomski » 14 Sep 2015 06:22

Ok. I will be ready on wednesday.
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Postby Diplomatt » 16 Sep 2015 11:52

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =519197171

Stupid noob box and only 2 units out of the forest because small trees still count as forest as you can see from where i mouse over the unit. I could beat that but I dont want to play against shitty time wasters.
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Postby Stradomski » 16 Sep 2015 11:56

1 бой выиграл. Во втором он был в атаке и взял Свебов. Я же поставил коробку за Сиракузы - в защите имею право. После чего он написал, что я потерял его уважение и всё такое. Потом написал, что я трачу его время, и вышел из боя.

Репку могу дать, но там очень скушно. В общем-то, раз он не хочет играть(а правила я не нарушал), пусть получает ТП за этот бой. Ибо нефиг.

По поводу его гона за лес. В лесу стояло только несколько задних отрядов. И не более. Лес характерен тем, что в нём отряды не видно, значит если отряды видно, то они не в лесу.

You could beat? Lol. If you could win you did't leave battle.

In forest solgiers are not visible. If you see solgiers than they are not in forest.
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Postby Diplomatt » 16 Sep 2015 12:33

Visibility is also to do with how close the units are as well. In terms of game mechanics that part of the map is counted as forest and you get the same bonuses.
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Postby Babykiller » 16 Sep 2015 14:20

коробки запрещены, котик

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Postby Asseror » 16 Sep 2015 15:07

Babykiller wrote:коробки запрещены, котик

Чувак умей проигрывать и не встревай, ты уже показал всю свою адекватность. Перечитай правила и ты увидишь коробка в АТАКЕ запрещена. Т.е. если игрок играет в защите, то все вполне прилично выйдет без нарушений. Да коробка может быть кого-то бесит, но все же это часть тактики и запрета (полного) в ней нету!
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Postby Asseror » 16 Sep 2015 15:15

Diplomatt wrote:Visibility is also to do with how close the units are as well. In terms of game mechanics that part of the map is counted as forest and you get the same bonuses.


Diplomatt, I understand you, and the fact that many players do not like the box. But the rules of this is written.
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Yes, this tactic is not the most pleasant, but in DEFEND he could make a pikebox. right?
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Postby Olkimos » 16 Sep 2015 16:12

так то оно так, но главный вопрос не в коробке, а в том, что по факту (дебаффы и тд) стр стоит в лесу. войска его видно. но баффы лесные
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Postby Stradomski » 16 Sep 2015 18:09

Лень идти и проверять информацию про дебафы.

Из правил: - Запрещено урывать в лесу более 3/4 армии

Букву "к" можно простить, больше о лесе ничего нет. Если видно, значит не укрыто. Даже если там миллион дебафов на врага, это проблемы врага.)

Всё снова сводится к тому, что я ничего не нарушил, кроме необязательной к исполнению штуки под названием "фейр плей".
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Postby Olkimos » 16 Sep 2015 18:15

из английской версии правил: - Prohibited cover more than 3/4 of the Army in the forest;
not HIDE
к тому же если подойти ближе то и скрытые юниты раскроются) тогда можно сказать что ты вообще не в лесу, да?
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Postby Diplomatt » 16 Sep 2015 18:23

I dislike noob boxing but my argument here like Olkimos correctly pointed out is that only 2 of his units aren't in the trees therefore he has violated the rules and victory should be awarded to me. The fact that I can see the units is because they are closer to me, not because they aren't in the forest. It clearly says forest when I mouse over the area so that means the game treats it as forest even if the trees aren't as big as in other areas.
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Postby Stradomski » 16 Sep 2015 18:35

Я в лесу, но я там ничего не скрываю. Что здесь не так? Я не англо говорящий, по сему действую в соответствии с русской версией правил.

Кстати, чой-то ты к вольфам подлизываться пришёл?) У тебя вроде свой матч есть нифига не сыгранный.

P.S. факт, что игра помечает мои отряды, как находящие в лесу, ещё проверить надо(если бы помечала - их бы не было видно). Но только вот это не имеет отношения к делу.
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Postby The True Legend » 16 Sep 2015 19:02

You cant just quit a game when things arent going your way. If he violated rules, as per rules, you must point it out to stradomski and inform him to move out. Speaking of violation, Stradomski didnt do anything wrong by placing his units there. He didnt cover his units in the trees as you can clearly see 90% of his troops out of the trees. Clearly more than 3/4 of his troops were visible.


P.S. that rule was only made up bcuz more than 3/4 were completely hidden in the trees in an atw battle.
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Postby Olkimos » 16 Sep 2015 19:12

you can say whatever, just to be against diplomatt)))) how do u know that 90%? when u dont know how many units in trees coz u cant see them on diplomatt's ss?)))))

i think judges has to decide was that against rules and meaning of this rule. and then they will replay this game with same builds coz they didnt play. that's my point of view)

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Postby The True Legend » 16 Sep 2015 19:26

lol Ik what im saying, go look at Wolf channel. You'll see there. Im not going againt anyone, im just saying the truth. The truth is stardomski is entitled to noob boxes (which was done to barac and he didnt quit). And he didnt violate any rules.
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Postby The True Legend » 16 Sep 2015 19:29

https://youtu.be/Yas5TTnH0lg?t=3253
look here, and the b****ing done by blademaster when rules clearly say pike builds are allowed in defense. If anything WOLF wasted stradomski's time by leaving after both agreeing on a set time and then insulting him.
BTW you may think im againt DIplomat but you hate on stradomkski, telling me how hes a fag and all... (and no I have no SS as proof lol, see, i dont save ss of chats lolz).
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Postby Diplomatt » 16 Sep 2015 19:44

All I have to say to you AK is fuck off

A unit being visible doesn't mean that it isn't in the forest. If admins decide that it isn't a forest camp then ok I will replay same armies but I have shown evidence to support my argument and all I'm getting is 'you can see the units so they're not in the forest' which is a silly argument.
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Postby The True Legend » 16 Sep 2015 19:53

Dude what do rules say?? They say you cant COVER, not place but cover (Cover means to "put something such as a cloth or lid on top of or in front of (something) in order to protect or conceal it", Conceal not anything else). As you can see, Str's units were not concealed at all by the trees. They were visible to you clearly enough to plan out an attack.
Im sorry but you cant leave a game just like that, and demand a free win. It just doesnt work like that dude.
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Postby Diplomatt » 16 Sep 2015 21:00

Standing under a tree can be classed as being covered by trees. You also contradicted yourself, 'protect or conceal it, Conceal not anything else', you ignore that his units were protected by the trees hmm?

The units are at least partially in the trees, some of them have the majority of the unit in the trees, vision and planning out an attack is irrelevant, being in trees is relevant. I have provided screenshots proving my point.
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Postby The True Legend » 17 Sep 2015 01:15

Diplomatt wrote:Standing under a tree can be classed as being covered by trees. You also contradicted yourself, 'protect or conceal it, Conceal not anything else', you ignore that his units were protected by the trees hmm?

The units are at least partially in the trees, some of them have the majority of the unit in the trees, vision and planning out an attack is irrelevant, being in trees is relevant. I have provided screenshots proving my point.

it wasnt a tree it was a bush lol. EVen if it was a tree, he was not covered by it as most of the unit was not anywhere near that bush. His units (90%) was not protected by that bush. I can only think a rematch is fair and if you continue leaving the games when his playing style infuriates you then a technical loss should be given to you on that game.
But honestly, I dont really care. I would prefer if you were to win, actually...
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Postby Patronus » 17 Sep 2015 16:42

Правилами не запрещено использовать построение коробкой игроку находящемуся в защите, также не был нарушен запрет на укрытие в лесу более 3/4 армии. Соответственно, техническое поражение не будет присвоено ни одной из сторон. Вы должны переиграть этот бой теме же составами. Дедлайн Вам продлен до 18 сентября.

Rules are allowed to use box if player is defender, also was not broken ban to cover more than 3/4 of the Army in the forest.
Accordingly, a forfeit loss will not be awarded any of the parties. You have to rematch this battle the same builts of army. Deadline extended for you until September 18.

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Postby The True Legend » 17 Sep 2015 16:53

As expected...
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Товарищ адвокат, адвокааат!
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Postby happysouls » 19 Sep 2015 13:39

AK why are you acting as if it's not a big deal that Stradomski forest camped. I have a strange feeling after our game, that you too would be accusing him of breaking/abusing the rules if that happend to you.

Remember when I had to move out of my advantageous (most likely game winning) position, and let you charge me in the rear, during our game (which lasted 1 hour as a result of this)? I had to move out coz you refused to attack me for about 15 minutes. And that wasn't even a proper forest, it was only like 3-4 trees. And the only reason why we were able to settle this between the two of us was due to me not giving a fuck about the result of the battle (I only care about playing a good game).

I'm not trying to come up with an excuse for my loss (maybe a tiny little bit?). You won 1 - 0 with a weaker faction, fair enough ggwp. It was fun (for the first 15min that is). All is good.

BUT...

If me capming, with my 4-5 depleated units ,under like 4 trees made you not want to engage me (what lasted about 15 min.) why are you acting as if what Stradomski did is fine.

IMO Diplomat is right but it doesn't matter since hosts already made their decision. It's just that I was very suprised that you consider it a fair play.
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Postby The True Legend » 19 Sep 2015 17:06

happysouls wrote:AK why are you acting as if it's not a big deal that Stradomski forest camped. I have a strange feeling after our game, that you too would be accusing him of breaking/abusing the rules if that happend to you.

Remember when I had to move out of my advantageous (most likely game winning) position, and let you charge me in the rear, during our game (which lasted 1 hour as a result of this)? I had to move out coz you refused to attack me for about 15 minutes. And that wasn't even a proper forest, it was only like 3-4 trees. And the only reason why we were able to settle this between the two of us was due to me not giving a fuck about the result of the battle (I only care about playing a good game).

I'm not trying to come up with an excuse for my loss (maybe a tiny little bit?). You won 1 - 0 with a weaker faction, fair enough ggwp. It was fun (for the first 15min that is). All is good.

BUT...

If me capming, with my 4-5 depleated units ,under like 4 trees made you not want to engage me (what lasted about 15 min.) why are you acting as if what Stradomski did is fine.

IMO Diplomat is right but it doesn't matter since hosts already made their decision. It's just that I was very suprised that you consider it a fair play.

you do realize that placing 3 to 4 units in 4 trees is breaking the rules?? And so, I was right to ask you (nicely) to move out and fight it out fairly. Did I threaten you to whine and cry to the host for a free win?? Nope. Did I leave the game as soon as you did that?? Nope. Was I attacking you?? Yep. Missile attack is considered an attack and surrounding you from all sides with a full strength noble horse and 2 units of cap cavs was making me the dominant attacker. A rear charge, to go along a frontal and flanking charge, was just inevitable. Forest camping or not that was my game.
After all, I wasnt the one saying how I (myself) for sure won that game and only had to charge in with my cavs. I only needed you not breaking rules to make sure I would win. And what stradomksi did was nothing close to what you did.
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Postby happysouls » 20 Sep 2015 00:45

no I do not realize that mate. I wasn't breaking any rules afaik, you didn't mention that I was breaking the rules either, until now that is.. neither did you ask me to move out, (again, u've never even suggested that I was breaking the rules until now) I did it only in order to avoid wasting more time.

we both had missile units left and you didn't want to trade hits so you pulled back each time I tried to assault you, thats not attacking. Also, full surround of the enemy formation =/= attacking.

'Forest camping or not that was my game.' - really?? If I remember correctly you had about 5 horse riders left at the end of the game? Did you calculate all of it that you are saying it was 'your game''??

but hey, maybe I am wrong and you're right. If anyone gives a shit they can see for themselves, here's the replay.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fi ... 8317008773

also, if 'placing 3 to 4 units in 4 trees is breaking the rules??', as you said, then how come, in your opinion what Stradomski did is not breaking the rules? I mean come on, clearly more than 60% of his army WAS placed in the trees.

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Postby happysouls » 20 Sep 2015 00:58

p.s. only 2 of my 7 remaining units were standing under the trees.

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Postby The True Legend » 20 Sep 2015 01:06

happysouls wrote:p.s. only 2 of my 7 remaining units were standing under the trees.

I wouldn't say only 2. I think it was half since you had 2 depleted units (20 men left i guess) and ur oaths and co were hidden.
But whats done is done, me vs u and the decision too, so lets not spam arguments here. Respect the Host decision that's all, dude.
Oh yeah, btw 3/4 is more than 60%. So ok I agree to him placing 3/5 but not 3/4 ;)
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Postby Diplomatt » 20 Sep 2015 22:47

Stradomski hasn't been online the past 2 evenings so we haven't been able to play yet
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Postby Asseror » 25 Sep 2015 14:27

Diplomatt, Congratulations! Good luck in Semifinal!
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